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In today’s episode, Shawn O’Malley (@Shawn_OMalley_) breaks down Madison Square Garden Sports Corp., ticker: MSGS, which is the holding company that owns the NBA’s New York Knicks and NHL’s New York Rangers. MSGS is one of the few publicly-traded equities that allows retail investors to directly own professional sports teams, and few franchises are of a higher profile than the Knicks and Rangers. Shawn covers the business model of professional sports teams, why sports franchises are trophy assets for billionaires, the driving factor behind the rapid appreciation in the value of professional sports teams, why investors in MSGS are effectively getting ownership in the Knicks and Rangers at a 50% discount, estimates for the intrinsic value per share of MSGS, plus so much more!  Prefer to watch? Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN 00:00 - Intro 02:59 - How MSGS gives retail investors a chance to own two of the most valuable sports franchises in the world 04:02 - Why purchase prices for sports teams have appreciated so dramatically in recent years 16:06 - How to think about MSGS’s valuation and its discount to NAV 20:55 - How league structure affects the Knicks and Rangers differently 27:19 - What is the biggest cost for sports teams 29:57 - Why the business of pro sports teams isn’t as good as you’d think 30:17 - How a tax break incentivizes billionaires to buy sports teams 32:24 - The bear case against investing in MSGS  33:28 - Shawn’s estimate of MSGS’s intrinsic value and decision on whether to add it to The Intrinsic Value Portfolio And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Sign up for The Intrinsic Value Newsletter. $MSGS pitch on the Value Investor’s Club forum. Follow Vince Pagano on social media.  Check out Aswath Damodaran on sports franchises. Check out the books mentioned in the podcast here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Shawn's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: TurboTax Airbnb Public Bluehost Connect with Shawn: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Spotify! It takes less than 30 seconds and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it!  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

The Intrinsic Value Podcast by The Investor’s Podcast Network is hosted by Shawn O’Malley. This podcast is inspired by 10 years of interviews with the world’s best investors here at The Investor’s Podcast Network. Shawn applies those lessons while breaking down and valuing a different business every week. From outlining how companies make money to understanding their competitive advantages, competitors, growth opportunities, and, of course, estimating their intrinsic value, this podcast will help you think smarter about business and investing. Tune in each week and start growing your knowledge and wealth today! Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

In today’s episode, Shawn O’Malley (@Shawn_OMalley_) chats with Clay Finck and Kyle Grieve of our We Study Billionaires podcast. Shawn reflects with Clay and Kyle on some of their favorite moments as Millennial Investing hosts in the past, from chatting with William Green to discussing whether we are in an “Everything Bubble” and how passive investing has affected markets. You’ll learn how Clay has evolved as an investor since joining The Investor's Podcast Network, how Kyle built out his stock portfolio and the challenges of doing so publicly, what has resonated with them the most from studying legendary investors, and updates on our new show — The Intrinsic Value Podcast — plus so much more!  Prefer to watch? Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN 00:00 - Intro 00:29 - What to expect from our new show, The Intrinsic Value Podcast 03:10 - How Clay has evolved since joining The Investor's Podcast 13:00 - Whether markets are in an “Everything Bubble” and how to manage anxiety as an investor 17:08 - How Kyle built out his portfolio of individual stocks 37:31 - What it means to have skin in the game as a public personality and investor 45:03 - How passive investing has changed financial markets  49:38 - Why Clay and Kyle both choose to be active investors  58:53 - What surprised William Green most about legend investors from his interactions with them 1:02:40 - What has resonated with Clay and Kyle the most from studying legend investors And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Listen to Clay Finck and Kyle Grieve on We Study Billionaires or watch them on YouTube. Listen to MI131 with William Green and Clay Finck | Youtube Video. Listen to MI167 with Eric Balchunas and Clay Finck | Youtube Video. Listen to MI197 with Scott Nations and Clay Finck | Youtube Video. Listen to MI345 with Brian Stoffel and Kyle Grieve | Youtube Video. Check out William Green’s book Richer, Wiser, Happier. Meet up with us at the 2025 Berkshire Hathaway shareholder’s meeting in Omaha. Check out the books mentioned in the podcast here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our Millennial Investing Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Kyle's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: TurboTax Airbnb Public Bluehost Connect with Shawn: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email Connect with Clay: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email Connect with Kyle: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Spotify! It takes less than 30 seconds and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it!  Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm

In today’s episode, Shawn O’Malley (@Shawn_OMalley_) goes through the best-selling book Zero to One by the prolific investor Peter Thiel, who’s best known for co-founding PayPal and Palantir and for being the first outside investor in Facebook. Thiel is a highly contrarian thinker, and the book organizes his notes from his time at Stanford lecturing to the next generation of Silicon Valley’s entrepreneurs. You’ll learn Peter Thiel’s favorite question to ask in interviews, the difference between horizontal and vertical progress, how the Tech Bubble changed Silicon Valley, why Peter Thiel actually likes monopolies, what investors get wrong about competition, how the Pareto Principle applies to the venture capital industry, plus so much more!  Prefer to watch? Click here to watch this episode on YouTube. IN THIS EPISODE, YOU’LL LEARN 00:00 - Intro 06:06 - What Peter Thiel’s favorite interview question is 09:42 - What the difference is between horizontal and vertical progress 11:41 - Why Thiel thinks that technological progress has stagnated since the 1970s 17:43 - How Thiel took advantage of the Dot-Com Bubble to scale PayPal 19:57 - How the Dot-Com Bubble changed the culture of Silicon Valley and the goals of its founders 23:22 - Why Peter Thiel encourages funders to build a monopoly in specific niches 26:34 - How competition destroys profits 34:50 - Which types of monopolies are good for society  41:10 - What the Pareto Principle means for the venture capital industry And much, much more! *Disclaimer: Slight timestamp discrepancies may occur due to podcast platform differences. BOOKS AND RESOURCES Join the exclusive TIP Mastermind Community to engage in meaningful stock investing discussions with Kyle and the other community members. Peter Thiel's book, Zero to One. Check out the Podcast review of Peter Thiel’s Zero to One on We Study Billionaires | YouTube Video. Check out the Executive summary of Zero to One by Preston Pysh and Stig Brodersen. Clayton Christensen's book, The Innovator’s Dilemma. Nassim Taleb's book, The Black Swan. Check out the books mentioned in the podcast here. Enjoy ad-free episodes when you subscribe to our Premium Feed. NEW TO THE SHOW? Follow our official social media accounts: X (Twitter) | LinkedIn | Instagram | Facebook | TikTok. Check out our Millennial Investing Starter Packs. Browse through all our episodes (complete with transcripts) here. Try Kyle's favorite tool for picking stock winners and managing our portfolios: TIP Finance. Enjoy exclusive perks from our favorite Apps and Services. Stay up-to-date on financial markets and investing strategies through our daily newsletter, We Study Markets. Learn how to better start, manage, and grow your business with the best business podcasts. SPONSORS Support our free podcast by supporting our sponsors: TurboTax Airbnb Public Bluehost Connect with Shawn: Twitter | LinkedIn | Email HELP US OUT! Help us reach new listeners by leaving us a rating and review on Spotify! It takes less than 30 seconds and really helps our show grow, which allows us to bring on even better guests for you all! Thank you – we really appreciate it!  Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices Support our show by becoming a premium member! https://theinvestorspodcastnetwork.supportingcast.fm