We Need To Talk with Paul C. Brunson

• JoJo Siwa 2 Hours Before Celebrity Big Brother EXCLUSIVE: I Wasn’t Emotionally Abused On Dance Moms - "I’m Not Going To Say Who It Was!”

  Just 2 hours before entering the Celebrity Big Brother house, JoJo Siwa sat down for one of her most raw and revealing conversations yet. Who is JoJo Siwa? In this powerful episode of We Need To Talk, the self-proclaimed “CEO of gay pop” opens up about the cost of growing up on Dance Moms, the pressures of childhood stardom, and why she won’t “give Abby her flowers.” She reflects on the moment her confidence dropped on screen and how it felt being the internet's “punching bag.” Before entering the Big Brother house, Paul asks how JoJo deals with people she doesn’t agree with - a question that now holds new significance after her viral clash with Mickey Rourke. JoJo addresses the controversy following the release of Karma and shares how she’s taking full control of her creative journey. She speaks candidly about falling in love, reclaiming her identity, and leaving behind the version of herself the world thought they knew. From Dance Moms to Big Brother, from glitter and bows to bold reinvention - this is JoJo Siwa like you’ve never seen her before. Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Follow JoJo here: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/RmSKBmOXySb TikTok - https://g2ul0.app.link/ZHFgDDQXySb  (01:48) Jojo's Imminent Big Brother Arrival (02:17) Is Jojo Scared of the Public Seeing a Different Side to Her? (04:14) Would Jojo Describe Herself as Someone with a Strong Personality? (04:54) How Will Jojo Manage Conflict in the BB House? (06:43) A Message from Jojo's Mum (09:02) Jojo's Childhood in Omaha, Nebraska (13:28) What Made Jojo Fall in Love with Dancing? (14:52) How Did Jojo Get on Dance Moms? (16:26) Why Does Jojo Think She Was So Successful on Dance Moms? (18:59) Did Jojo Need Validation When She Was 11 on Dance Moms? (20:43) Was Jojo 'Emotionally Abused' During Dance Moms? (27:11) Jojo's 'Ice Cream Story' (30:50) Was Jojo's Bow Branding Intentional? (33:21) Jojo's Bow Merchandise (35:19) Jojo Pivoting from TV to YouTube (38:23) Jojo's Perspective on Her Social Media Output (40:42) Shopify Ad (41:55) Tinder Ad (42:50) Did Jojo Have Difficulty Distinguishing Between Her Real Self and Her TV Persona? (46:12) Jojo's Experience of Bullying Online and In-Person (52:39) What Caused Jojo to Lose Confidence Over Time? (55:31) Jojo's Self-Consciousness About Her Singing (59:57) Jojo's Journey with Her Sexuality (1:07:33) The Process of Jojo Coming Out to the Wider Public (1:16:22) Jojo's Current Romantic Relationship (1:20:10) What Would Jojo Be Without Her Mother? (1:22:07) Jojo's Perspective on Motherhood (1:23:57) What Does Jojo Want Viewers of BB to Learn from Her? (1:24:52) What Is Most Misunderstood About Jojo? (1:25:30) The Controversy Around 'Karma' (1:28:22) Most Memorable Conversation (1:32:46) Paul's Takeaways Sponsored by: Shopify: www.shopify.co.uk/needtotalk  Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Estelle EXCLUSIVE The Truth Behind AMERICAN BOY “I Prayed For The Strength To Speak To Kanye!”

  In this episode of We Need To Talk, Grammy Award-winning artist Estelle joins Paul for an unfiltered conversation about music, identity, and the power of self-belief. From growing up in West London to becoming the first artist to be signed by John Legend, Estelle shares the resilience it took to break into the music industry - and the self-trust she had to develop along the way. She tells the incredible story of how a chance encounter with Kanye West in a chicken shop led to the global smash hit American Boy. Estelle reflects on the personal losses that shaped her, the industry rejection she pushed through, and how she’s finally learned to trust her voice - both in music and in life. This is the real story behind American Boy - and so much more. Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Follow Estelle here: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/YBqxXz8ThSb TikTok - https://g2ul0.app.link/CQK5GJbUhSb  (00:00) Intro  (01:50) Estelle's Childhood in Hammersmith  (04:40) What Values Did Estelle's Grandmother Instill in Her?  (06:22) Estelle's Family  (07:37) How Estelle's Parents Met  (09:04) Estelle's Relationship with Her Father  (10:09) How Did Estelle's Parents' Split Affect Her?  (11:22) Estelle's Experience of School  (15:28) The Beginning of Estelle's Career in Music  (27:31) The Differences Between Hip Hop and R&B in the USA vs. UK in the Early 2000s  (29:43) Estelle's Experience in the British Music Industry as a Black Female Artist  (35:53) How Estelle Met Kanye West and John Legend  (44:10) Shopify Ad  (45:21) Tinder Ad  (46:16) How Estelle Wrote 'American Boy'  (51:26) The Legacy of 'American Boy'  (54:53) Paul’s Favourite Estelle Songs  (56:48) When Did Estelle Feel Like She Was 'Losing It' During Her Career?  (1:03:43) How Did Estelle Learn to Trust Herself?  (1:06:44) Estelle's Relationship History  (1:15:59) Is Estelle Interested in Being a Mother?  (1:16:57) The Impact of Estelle's Grandmother's Death  (1:21:51) Estelle's Spiritual Beliefs  (1:22:46) Estelle's Role in 'Steven Universe'  (1:26:30) Why Is Allyship So Important to Estelle?  (1:28:53) Paul Tells a Crazy Story About Estelle  (1:31:03) One of Estelle's Wildest Moments During Her Career  (1:33:07) Happiest Moment of Estelle's Career  (1:34:49) Estelle's New EP 'New Direction'  (1:37:35) Paul, De La Soul and Estelle's Feature on 'Memories Of'  (1:40:24) Estelle's Forthcoming Book  (1:42:37) Most Memorable Conversation  (1:46:18) Paul's Takeaways  Sponsored by: Shopify: www.shopify.co.uk/needtotalk  Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Talia Mar’s Relationship With Sidemen’s Miniminter “We Didn’t Sleep Until 8AM On First Date!”

  This episode of We Need To Talk sees YouTuber and singer Talia Mar share the defining moments that have shaped her life. She opens up about her whirlwind romance with Simon (AKA Sidemen's Miniminter) - from their instant connection on their first date to how they plan to parent their child in the public eye. Talia candidly discusses being diagnosed with autism at 25, the struggles of masking, feeling different, and how it reshaped her understanding of herself. She also opens up about navigating pregnancy with ASD and why so many women remain undiagnosed on the spectrum. Talia reflects on her school bullying experiences and the battle with anorexia that pushed her to her limits. This conversation is about Talia’s journey of self-discovery, embracing her autism, and how her deep connection with Simon helps them navigate the challenges of life together. This episode discusses sensitive topics, including anorexia. If you need support, please find resources below: MIND - https://g2ul0.app.link/w5vNMYwowQb   Beat Eating Disorders - https://g2ul0.app.link/gHK6cjr3ZRb Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Support Talia here: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/QUo550jhbSb TikTok - https://g2ul0.app.link/ZuoqY6lhbSb  (1:51) Talia and Paul's Shared Connection with Sutton   (2:48) Talia's Childhood   (6:12) Talia's Childhood Love of Music   (8:00) Talia's Experience of BRIT School   (8:49) Talia's Experience of Bullying at Her Previous School   (10:45) Talia's Mental Health Struggles at School   (13:57) Talia's First Best Friend at 16   (14:47) Talia's Perspective on Romantic Relationships at 16   (15:37) How Did Talia Believe She Was Going to Be Successful in Music?   (19:23) How Did Talia Know She Was Doing Something Right with Her YouTube Channel?   (20:51) When Was Talia's First Monetisation from YouTube?   (23:30) 'Tough Decisions' EP Release   (25:50) Talia's Fellow BRIT Alumni   (30:45) Talia's Emotional Regulation   (33:59) Tinder Ad   (34:55) How Talia Met Simon Minter   (47:23) What Made Talia Fall in Love with Simon Minter?   (49:26) Talia's First Impressions of the Sidemen   (53:16) The Reaction to Talia and Simon Making Content Together   (56:32) How Did Her Public Relationship with Simon Impact Talia's Work?   (1:00:22) Did Talia Have Any Doubts About Her Engagement to Simon?   (1:01:39) Talia's Autism Diagnosis   (1:13:30) How Was Simon with Talia's Autistic Traits?   (1:14:15) Talia and Simon's Wedding   (1:16:06) Talia's Pregnancy   (1:19:21) How Do Talia and Simon Plan to Manage Having a Baby in the Public Eye?   (1:21:57) How Has Talia Found Being Pregnant?   (1:25:42) What Is Talia Most Excited for Regarding Her Future?   (1:27:22) Talia's Thoughts on Plastic Surgery   (1:30:40) Talia's Struggles with Anorexia   (1:38:16) Most Memorable Conversation   (1:41:40) Paul's Takeaways   Sponsored by: Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• MAFS Star Ella Morgan "You Say I'm Crazy, You're With Katie Price Now!" Most Trans People Attempt To Take Their Lives

  Married at First Sight star Ella Morgan sits down alongside her dad Chris for an emotional conversation about identity, acceptance and resilience. Ella opens up about knowing she was different as a child, the challenges of transitioning, the heartbreaking moments of self-doubt and how her relationships on MAFS and Celebs Go Dating shaped her journey. She and Chris reflect on their struggles to understand each other, the moments that nearly broke their family, and the unconditional love that brought them back together. Chris speaks candidly about his struggles in coming to terms with Ella’s transition to being her biggest supporter. Together, they address the misconceptions surrounding trans identities, the harsh realities of discrimination, and the power of unconditional love. A powerful conversation every parent and child needs to hear. This episode discusses sensitive topics, including suicide and eating disorders. If you need support, please find resources below: MIND - https://g2ul0.app.link/w5vNMYwowQb Samaritans - https://g2ul0.app.link/zsXiEH8BORb Beat Eating Disorders - https://g2ul0.app.link/gHK6cjr3ZRb Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Follow Ella here: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/T9GbS7j3ZRb TikTok - https://g2ul0.app.link/lTRuysm3ZRb (0:00) Intro   (1:27) Ella Being a Trans 'Advocate' Not an Activist   (3:41) Ella Explains 'Dead-Naming'   (6:14) Why Did Ella Go on MAFS?   (9:53) Ella's Relationship History Before MAFS   (12:07) Safety as a Trans Person   (14:40) What Were Ella's Lessons from MAFS?   (20:18) Ella's 'Ill-Advised' Relationship on Celebs Go Dating   (23:26) Adobe Ad   (24:26) Tinder Ad   (25:18) Ella's Reaction to Three-Year-Old Evan   (27:54) What Was Ella's Childhood Like?   (30:10) Ella's Experience at School   (31:54) Societal Scripts Around Gender   (33:44) When and How Ella Realised She Was Trans   (36:51) Ella's Experience of Bulimia   (43:52) Ella's Experience of Suicide at 16   (50:01) Ella Coming Out as Trans to Her Mum   (54:04) Ella First Presenting as a Woman   (55:44) How the Rest of Ella's Family Found Out Her True Identity   (57:34) Ella's Dad Joins the Conversation   (58:59) How Did Chris Find Out About Ella's True Identity?   (1:00:53) How Did Chris Feel When He First Found Out About Ella?   (1:02:56) Paul Shows Chris a Picture of Him and Ella from 2001   (1:04:43) What Were Chris' Hopes and Dreams for Ella as a Child?   (1:06:25) How Chris Dealt with Changing Terminology After Finding Out   (1:09:10) When Did Chris Realise Ella's Identity Wasn't Just a Phase?   (1:11:02) Public Reaction to Ella Presenting as a Woman   (1:12:49) Ella's Experience of Gender Reassignment Surgery   (1:15:27) Chris' Experience of Ella's Transition Surgery   (1:17:13) Stats on Suicide in Transgender People   (1:17:57) Ella's Second Experience with Suicide   (1:19:42) How Did Chris Deal with Ella's Suicide Attempt?   (1:21:35) How to Hold Space for Someone in Crisis   (1:22:29) What Is the 'Work' for Families During a Transition?   (1:25:29) Support for Parents of Transgender People   (1:27:23) What Ella's Transition Means to Chris   (1:29:26) Paul and Chris' Experience of Transphobia Among Friends   (1:31:02) Why Ella Is the Bravest Person Chris Knows   (1:34:02) Chris' Advice to Parents of Transgender Children   (1:34:43) Ella's Procedures and the Costs   (1:38:23) Statistics on Transgender Employment Rates   (1:39:40) Most Memorable Conversation   (1:43:19) Paul's Takeaways  Sponsored by: Adobe: https://www.adobe.com/uk/express/  Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB  Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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• Jordan Stephens EXCLUSIVE: I Want To Tell JADE I Love Her ALL THE TIME! I Was Shamed For Going Down On Girls!

  In this episode of We Need To Talk, Jordan Stephens opens up like never before. The musician, writer, and actor shares the untold story behind his rise to fame with Rizzle Kicks, the struggles that nearly broke him, and the pivotal moments that shaped his life. Jordan reflects on his battles with addiction, the weight of fame, and the personal challenges he’s faced behind closed doors. For the first time, Jordan reflects on a period where he felt his lowest and how a phone call with his mum brought him back from the edge.  Now, in a high-profile relationship with Jade Thirlwall, Jordan opens up about how they navigate their relationship in the spotlight, and whether marriage and fatherhood are on the cards. Paul and Jordan have a powerful conversation around masculinity, exploring the struggles men face with emotions, intimacy, and societal pressures. This is Jordan Stephens as you’ve never seen him before. Support charities: MIND - https://g2ul0.app.link/w5vNMYwowQb Samaritans - https://g2ul0.app.link/zsXiEH8BORb Follow me here: https://www.instagram.com/needtotalk  https://www.tiktok.com/@weneedtotalkpod  Support Jordan here: Instagram - https://g2ul0.app.link/eQmG1muoJRb TikTok - https://g2ul0.app.link/n3LMyDBoJRb Book: Avoidance, Drugs, Heartbreak and Dogs -  https://g2ul0.app.link/iC6Y7KJjNRb  Audio Active - https://g2ul0.app.link/h2gPqvCjNRb  (00:00) Intro (01:36) Influence of Jordan’s Mum and Dad on His Upbringing (02:53) When Did Jordan Realise His Parents Were Anti-Establishment? (04:24) Jordan’s Experiences on His Childhood Estate (06:05) Jordan’s Parents’ Situation When He Was a Child (07:28) Jordan Moving to Brighton at 10 (08:25) What Did Jordan Think of His Parents Growing Up? (10:38) Jordan’s Complicated Relationship With Class (13:37) Jordan’s Experience as a Young Mixed-Race Man in Brighton (17:25) How Does Jordan Categorise Himself? (22:01) Jordan’s Early Experiences With Drugs (26:33) Changing Attitudes Towards Sex (27:38) The ‘Bizarre’ Story of Jordan Losing His Virginity (32:48) When Did Jordan Fall in Love With Hip-Hop? (35:17) The Origins of Rizzle Kicks (39:08) How Jordan Made ‘Down With the Trumpets’ (43:13) Does Jordan Have Any Regrets About His Music Career? (48:19) Paul Loves Jordan’s Book ADHD (49:29) Paul and Jordan’s Thoughts on the State of Masculinity (54:37) Internalised Homophobia (58:53) The Kinsey Scale: Understanding Sexuality (1:00:28) Jordan’s Experience at ‘The Bridge’ (1:05:24) Adobe Express Ad (1:06:24) Tinder Ad (1:07:34) Jordan’s Experience With Suicide and Suicidal Ideation (1:16:13) Jordan’s ‘Break-Up’ With His Mother (1:22:05) Jordan’s ‘Type’ (1:23:33) How Jordan Met JADE (1:30:26) Jordan’s Thoughts on Polyamory (1:32:20) Jordan’s Thoughts on the ‘L Word’ (1:34:52) Jordan and JADE's First Date (1:38:56) Will Jordan and JADE Get Married? (1:42:06) Jordan’s Thoughts on Fatherhood (1:47:44) How Jordan Navigates Being in a High-Profile Relationship (1:54:10) Jordan Praises Paul and WNTT (1:56:27) Most Memorable Conversation (2:00:04) Paul’s Takeaways Sponsored by: Adobe: https://www.adobe.com/uk/express/  Tinder: https://tinder.com/en-GB Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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