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• The business of open source - Caleb Porzio (Livewire) and Taylor Otwell (Laravel)

  Is web development still a good career choice in 2025? What's the future of open source? Justin and Brian dive deep with Taylor Otwell (Laravel) and Caleb Porzio (Livewire, Alpine.js, Flux) about the state of web dev, building a business on open source, and the anxiety of managing competition.Chapters:(03:31) - Should people still pursue web development as a career? (11:04) - Are we still excited about the web? Why is Laravel growing? (16:27) - How big are your customers? (25:23) - How interested are developers on the business side of Saas? (34:39) - How did you think about open source when you were getting started? (41:19) - How do you think about being a creator when you have a large business? (55:57) - The next generation pipeline (01:00:47) - Rethinking open source (01:10:52) - What's your anxiety level towards competition? Tell us what you think! 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: [email protected]📺 Leave a comment on YouTube🦋 Reply on BlueskyLinks mentioned in this episode🚀 Laravel🧑‍💻 Laravel is hiring🐙 Livewire🎸 Alpine.js✨ Flux🏗️ Instrumental Rails Components🎙️ Transistor podcast hosting

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• SaaS predictions for 2025 – Colleen Schnettler and Tyler King

  Is bootstrapping a SaaS dead in 2025? How will AI affect software development as an industry? What's working when it comes to marketing?Justin Jackson (Transistor.fm) and Brian Casel (Instrumental Products) are joined by Colleen Schnettler (SaaS Marketing Gym) and Tyler King (Less Annoying CRM) to debate our predictions for the new year. CHAPTERS:0:00 - What to expect3:25 - Is SaaS Getting Harder in 2025?5:16 - Bootstrapped SaaS is past its prime8:32 - "Can you really build a good product with AI?"12:00 - "No-Code is in trouble, AI makes product discovery harder, SaaS goldrush is over."14:17 - What kind of business should you start in 2025?16:34 - AI can't replace the craft and expertise required to launch a good product19:06 - Is it harder to go from Zero to One?20:23 - Marketing predictions - what's going to work this year?27:58 - "Nothing works. Marketing is bullshit." – Tyler King30:43 - People want to interact with real humans (Reddit, podcasts, YouTube)32:14 - Organic search is still big (but AI is sending some traffic)34:20 - How you can win against AI and other competitors: customer support36:33 - A bootstrapper's advantage is that they're small and they care39:27 - Question for the listener: have you had a good customer support experience with AI chatbots?40:27 - Another tactic that might work: get people on the phone!42:07 - Should we all short Tesla stock?45:19 - Our plans for 2025Tell us what you think! 🗣️🎤 Send us an audio or video message📧 Email us: [email protected]📺 Leave a comment on YouTube🦋 Reply on BlueskyFind us on Bluesky:Colleen Schnettler – @leenyburger.bsky.socialTyler King – @tylerking.appJustin Jackson – @justinjackson.caBrian Castle – @briancasel.comLinks mentioned in the episode:🧰 Instrumental Products🏋️‍♀️ SaaS Marketing Gym📂 Simple File Upload📇 Less Annoying CRM🎙️ Startup to Last Podcast🎤 Transistor podcast hostingSubscribe to The Panel for weekly discussions with smart founders about building better products and better lives:

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• The Panel – smart founders discuss the realities of building a business

  When it comes to bootstrapping and building software, there's rarely one correct answer.The secret to building better products, profitable companies, and a better life is knowing how to find the best answer for you. That’s the purpose of The Panel podcast. Join hosts Justin (Transistor.fm) and Brian Casel (Instrumental Products) in each episode as they bring together a panel of founders, software developers, and friends to discuss hot topics like:- What's really working in SaaS marketing- The impact of AI on product development- Open source vs closed source business models- Niche markets vs broad markets- One-time vs recurring revenue models- Age and experience perspectives in techTimestamps:0:00 The story - why we wanted to start this show2:03 Meet your hosts - Justin Jackson & Brian Casel2:45 Topics we'll cover 3:32 The power of different perspectives4:18 We need your help5:05 We'll be doing video and audio🔗 Join our waiting list at https://panelpodcast.comCreators & Guests Justin Jackson - Host Brian Casel - Host

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