Science of Reading: The Podcast

MTSS explores the Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS), from foundational concepts to practical implementation. To kick things off, Joan Schumann, Ph.D., founding executive director of the International MTSS Association, joins host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., to provide an overview of an MTSS—what it is, what it isn't, and its core elements. Together, Joan and Susan discuss the core beliefs that make or break an MTSS implementation, what a prevention-oriented mindset looks like in a school, and why early access to intervention is central to the MTSS framework. 
Show notes:
Sign up for our Literacy Data and MTSS Week.
Learn more about the International MTSS Association and its Journal for MTSS.
Connect with Joan Schumann on LinkedIn.
Subscribe to Season 3 of Amplify's Beyond My Years podcast.
Subscribe to Susan's new Science of Reading Substack.
Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
Connect with Susan Lambert.
Quotes:
"You cannot implement the [MTSS] framework if you don't believe all kids can learn." —Joan Schumann
"If we all start engaging in these small shifts and calls for change, it'll be just like the Science of Reading, only it'll be the science of learning." —Joan Schumann
"Don't underestimate the power of starting small, or raising a question in a meeting, or challenging a belief that you hear. I think it's through these small acts of courage that you can have a big impact."
Timestamps*:
0:00 Introduction: MTSS 101, with Joan Schumann, Ph.D.
4:00 Joan's background and journey in education
9:00 An overview of MTSS
10:00 The core belief at the heart of MTSS
17:00 MTSS as a prevention-oriented system
19:00 Rethinking school structure
25:00 Common MTSS misconceptions
28:00 How MTSS and special education relate
33:00 Breaking down the core elements of MTSS
36:00 MTSS beyond literacy
38:00 The International MTSS Association
46:00 Final thoughts
*Timestamps are approximate, rounded to nearest minute

Host Susan Lambert gives you a first look at Season 11 of Science of Reading: The Podcast, which will focus on using a Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS). Along with her expert guests, Susan will take a close look at what MTSS really means, how its different components work, and what it takes to implement and scale it successfully in a real school or classroom. Check out the trailer to get a glimpse of the season's conversations on Tier 1, screening, intervention, progress monitoring, and data teaming, and see clips of the guests you can look forward to hearing from!
Show notes:
Get ready for the new podcast season with Literacy Data and MTSS Week, a free week of webinars. 
Subscribe to the new Science of Reading Substack.
Listen to Season 3 of Beyond My Years.
Join our community Facebook group. 
Connect with Susan Lambert.

In our latest Science of Reading: Essentials episode, Susan Lambert, Ed.D., draws on expert voices from across the podcast to show how assessment can be one of the most exciting and empowering tools an educator has at their disposal. Featuring Jan Hasbrouck, Ph.D.; Stephanie Stollar, Ph.D.; Kate Winn; Kymyona Burk, Ed.D.; Kajal Patel Below; Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.; and Melissa Farrall, Ph.D., this episode covers the three types of assessment every educator needs—universal screening, diagnostic assessment, and progress monitoring—and how they work together; what the Oral Reading Fluency measure actually measures, why it matters, and how it's often misunderstood; and why assessing comprehension is so complex, and what teachers can do about it. 
Show notes: 
Check out all of our Science of Reading Essentials episodes.
Sign up for our upcoming Assessment Webinar Series. 
Listen to Season 3 of Amplify’s Beyond My Years podcast.
Listen to the full episodes:The right assessment and the right data with Dr. Jan Hasbrouck
Assessment as your best friend, with Kate Winn and Stephanie Stollar, Ph.D.
Language is always an asset, with Kajal Patel Below
Understanding assessment, with Melissa Farrall, Ph.D.
Reimagining comprehension assessment, with Gina Biancarosa, Ed.D.
A proactive response to the adolescent literacy crisis, with Kymyona Burk, Ed.D.

Subscribe to Susan’s new Science of Reading Substack.
Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
Connect with Susan Lambert.
Quotes:
“If you don’t have a question about your students, you don’t need to do more assessment. This should not be a compliance activity.” —Stephanie Stollar
“We never want to do one iota, one second, one minute of extra assessment that we don’t have to do unless it answers a key question that makes us better teachers.” —Jan Hasbrouck
“About 90% of all reading challenges are due to difficulty recognizing the words.” —Melissa Farrall
“We don’t want more testing. We want the right kind of testing.” —Kymyona Burk
“Once you ask a question, you can change what it is that someone has understood from what they read.” —Gina Biancarosa
“When we love the kids, we want to do the best for them.” —Kate Winn
“Ideally, kids would be assessed in their home language.” —Kajal Patel Below

Timestamps*:
0:00 Science of Reading Essentials: Assessment
3:00 Why educators have complicated feelings about assessment
4:00 The three key questions every assessment should answer
6:00 Universal screening
8:00 Screening multilingual and English learners
11:00 Diagnostic assessment
12:00 Progress monitoring
15:00 Why alignment across all three tools matters
16:00 Teacher-administered and curriculum-based assessments
18:00 Oral Reading Fluency (ORF): what it is and why it matters
24:00 Why ORF is widely misunderstood
28:00 The challenges of assessing comprehension
38:00 Key takeaways and next steps
*Timestamps are approximate

On this encore episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., is joined by Brittney Bills, Ed.D., educator and senior manager of literacy partnerships at Amplify. Brittney explains what a Multi-Tiered System of Supports (MTSS) is and how it centers on prevention, rather than intervention. She also talks about the intersection of universal screening data and an MTSS, and provides advice on evidence-based strategies and techniques to make a positive impact in your classroom. Drawing on examples from her former district, Brittney discusses how to prevent burnout, use data effectively, and support ongoing improvement.
Show notes: 
Connect with Brittney Bills on LinkedIn.
Listen to Season 3 of the Amplify podcast Beyond My Years.
Join our community Facebook group.
Connect with Susan Lambert.
Quotes:
"[An] MTSS is not a thing that lives outside of the Science of Reading. They're two things that complement each other very, very well." —Brittney Bills
"We need better processes that we can apply more widely to effectively arrive at our outcomes for our students who need more intensive support." —Brittney Bills
"It's the student's needs that should drive the decisions, not a cool presentation that we saw at a conference." —Brittney Bills
Timestamps*:
0:00 Introduction: Implementing MTSS with Brittney Bills, Ed.D.
2:00 Brittney's Science of Reading journey
5:00 Pursuing leadership
6:00 Bringing literacy and MTSS together
7:00 What is an MTSS?
9:00 Universal tier as the first intervention
11:00 Key MTSS components: screening, fidelity, and progress monitoring
17:00 Student need should drive decisions
18:00 Class-wide intervention and leveraging data efficiently
21:00 Rethinking small-group instruction
30:00 Data analysis tools for grade-level PLCs
35:00 MTSS as continuous support
42:00 Closing thoughts: "MTSS is not another thing, it is the thing."
*Timestamps are approximate

In this episode of Science of Reading: The Podcast, host Susan Lambert, Ed.D., does something a little different, sharing her own research alongside that of her guest, Sonia Cabell, Ph.D. Together, they trace how Sonia's large-scale Institute of Education Sciences (IES) study directly inspired Susan's dissertation, and what that process reveals about how evidence in literacy education actually gets built. Susan and Sonia also discuss what Sonia's IES study on content-rich literacy instruction found; how Susan's own dissertation research built directly on those findings; what it really means for research to "accumulate" and why it matters for classroom practice.
Show notes:
Sign up for our fall Literacy Data and MTSS Week.
Listen to Sonia's previous Science of Reading: The Podcast appearances:Deconstructing the Rope: Language comprehension
Research, comprehension, and content-rich literacy instruction

Read Sonia's book, Strive-for-Five Conversations: A Framework That Gets Kids Talking to Accelerate Their Language Comprehension and Literacy.
Learn more about the Florida Center for Reading Research.
Check out Sonia's IES study.
Listen to Reid Lyon, Ph.D., on Science of Reading: The PodcastEmbracing the complexity of learning to read, Part 1 and Part 2
Systematizing literacy

Listen to Season 3 of Amplify's Beyond My Years podcast.
Subscribe to Susan's new Science of Reading Substack.
Join our Science of Reading community Facebook group.
Connect with Susan Lambert. 
Quotes:
"The Science of Reading is not like a product. It's not a thing. It's an ever-accumulating body of work." —Sonia Cabell
"You're doing better than you think. Keep being a learner." —Sonia Cabell
"It's the accumulation of research over time that leads us to an evidence base, not just any one study." —Sonia Cabell
Timestamps*:
0:00 Introduction: How research builds on research
3:00 Sonia's research focus: oral language as the foundation of reading
7:00 The origin of the IES study
10:00 Sonia's study design and what cut it short
16:00 Results of the IES study
23:00 What is an IES study?
25:00 Causation versus correlation
28:00 Susan's dissertation: building on Sonia's research
31:00 What Susan found
35:00 "It's not about just one landmark study"
41:00 Trusted organizations for educators
44:00 Reasons for optimism
48:00 Closing thoughts
*Timestamps are approximate