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Welcome to The Chopping Block – where crypto insiders Haseeb Qureshi, Tom Schmidt, Tarun Chitra, and Robert Leshner chop it up about the latest in crypto. In this episode, we’re joined by Guy Young, CEO and founder of Ethena Labs, to break down the hard truths behind DeFi’s most recent chaos. We dive into the USD0++ depeg and its ripple effects across the ecosystem, exploring what went wrong and the critical lessons for the future of stable assets. Plus, we discuss Ethena’s meteoric rise, Guy’s vision for synthetic dollars, and how innovative yield strategies are reshaping DeFi. Stay tuned as we debate, analyze, and uncover the hidden forces shaping crypto today. Show highlights 🔹 USD0++ Depeg Drama: A deep dive into what caused the USD0++ depeg, the mechanics behind the chaos, and the broader implications for DeFi. 🔹 Lessons on Risk Transparency: Why sudden rule changes eroded trust and how protocols can improve communication to avoid similar fallout. 🔹 Ethena’s Rise and Vision: Guy Young shares the story of Ethena’s explosive growth, its innovative synthetic dollar model, and its role in DeFi’s evolution. 🔹 The Yield Dilemma: Exploring how Ethena’s yield model works, its appeal, and the risks it carries for users and the ecosystem. 🔹 DeFi’s Distribution Problem: Why centralized exchanges remain the key to scaling synthetic assets and stablecoins like Ethena’s USD. 🔹 Transparency vs. Overconfidence: Drawing lessons from Luna’s downfall and how Ethena’s approach to clear communication sets a new standard. 🔹 Athena’s 2025 Roadmap: From DeFi integrations to TradFi adoption, what’s next for Ethena as it scales synthetic dollars globally. 🔹 Reflections on Building in DeFi: Guy Young opens up about the challenges, surprises, and rewards of leading one of DeFi’s fastest-growing projects. 🔹 2025 Predictions: The crew debates who might become this year’s “main character” in crypto and what that could mean for the market. Hosts ⭐️Haseeb Qureshi, Managing Partner at Dragonfly ⭐️Robert Leshner, CEO & Co-founder of Superstate ⭐️Tom Schmidt, General Partner at Dragonfly  Guest ⭐️Guy Young, CEO & Founder of Ethena Labs Disclosures Timestamps  00:00 Intro 01:30 Changes to Usual Money’s Protocol 06:05 Reactions & Analysis 09:12 Lessons from USD0  18:35 Transparency vs. Miscommunication 22:42 Ethena: A DeFi Success Story 32:12 Demand for Stablecoins & Yield 36:40 Custody & Market Structure Post-FTX 43:58 Handling Negative Yields and Market Corrections 48:22 Ethena's Roadmap and Future Plans 55:53 Reflections on Building Ethena Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

This week, Bloomberg’s James Seyffart, Lumida’s Ram Ahluwalia, and guest Tom Dunleavy explore whether the “Fed pivot” is officially dead, how AI will impact the job market, and what Tether’s move to El Salvador means for U.S. stablecoin policy. They also debate whether bitcoin could ever be a risk-off asset, how sovereign nations might already be accumulating BTC, and what the Coinbase legal win against the SEC signals for the future. Plus, why volatility is still king in crypto and what lies ahead for the global markets. Show highlights: 02:12 Whether the “Fed pivot” is officially dead and whether rate cuts are coming 08:37 What the impact of AI will be on the jobs market 13:27 Why the markets have been chopping so much and whether it’s the bottom 18:00 What Trump could achieve for the crypto industry in his first 100 days 23:02 Whether the US sold the Silk Road bitcoin 25:27 Why bitcoin will not be a risk-off asset in the near term according to Tom and Ram 31:08 Whether sovereign nations have already started buying bitcoin 36:49 Why Tether moving to El Salvador is a loss to the U.S., according to Ram 40:26 How the L.A. fires will have an impact on the political landscape in the U.S. 52:06 How Coinbase just achieved a “huge win” against the SEC Sponsors: Stellar Build Better Hosts: James Seyffart, Research Analyst at Bloomberg Intelligence Ram Ahluwalia, CFA, CEO and Founder of Lumida Guest: Tom Dunleavy, Partner at Master Ventures Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

In October, the crypto industry saw a jaw-dropping acquisition: Bridge, a stablecoin-focused company, was bought by Web2 payments giant Stripe for $1.1 billion. Now, three months later, Bridge co-founder Zach Abrams opens up about the wild journey that led to this moment, from navigating collapses like Terra’s UST and USDC’s depegging, to securing compliance and fraud prevention as core priorities. Zach also delves into his vision for the future of stablecoins, whether the U.S. dollar will continue to dominate, and why global financial infrastructure needs an upgrade. Plus, he recounts how timing and resilience helped Bridge stand out amidst massive industry challenges. Show highlights: 01:49The problems of the payments system and how stablecoins could solve them 13:35 What Bridge is, how it works and what types of consumers it serves 19:33 What significant inconveniences Bridge found throughout its journey 25:56 How Zach’s background in Coinbase influenced the launch of Bridge 30:20 Whether there will be multiple stablecoins or just a couple of winners 33:49 How Bridge worked with their customers to improve its product 39:35 The story of how Bridge was acquired by Stripe for $1.1 billion 46:37 Whether its dependence on banks is a problem for Bridge 53:02 How Bridge deals with fraud and compliance  59:50 What Zach thinks about the competition in the stablecoin landscape 1:04:37 Why Zach believes that the fiat infrastructure landscape is still Bridge’s main competitor 1:10:08 Whether the U.S. dollar will remain the overwhelmingly predominant currency in stablecoins Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Stellar Build Better Polkadot Guest: Zach Abrams, Co-founder of Bridge Links Recent coverage of Unchained on stablecoins: How This Stablecoin Business in Africa Is Taking on SWIFT and Big Banks Why Robinhood CEO Vlad Tenev Is Betting Big on Crypto, Stablecoins, and Prediction Markets CNBC: Stripe's $1.1 billion deal for crypto firm Bridge marks much-needed win for VCs Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

It’s been a tough week for the markets, with bitcoin gyrating from $102,400 to $92,000.  Travis Kling, CIO of Ikigai Asset Management, shares his thoughts on the selloff, whether this market dip is a cause for alarm, and how macro factors like the Fed’s rate policy and ETF dynamics are shaping the landscape.  Plus, he dives into the explosive growth of AI agents and why crypto investors should start paying attention to this new frontier. Could AI agents revolutionize crypto, or are we witnessing another bubble? Show highlights: 01:49 Why Travis believes this market selloff was “abnormal” 04:31 Whether he thinks the DOJ will sell Silk Road’s $6 billion worth of BTC from Silk Road 07:36 Why Travis is supportive of a US bitcoin strategic reserve 17:15 Why inflation and policy shifts might keep Fed rates steady 22:30 What explains the significant outflows from bitcoin spot ETFs on Wednesday 24:37 Whether Travis thinks the AI agent rise is a bubble  Visit our website for breaking news, analysis, op-eds, articles to learn about crypto, and much more: unchainedcrypto.com Thank you to our sponsors! Stellar Build Better Polkadot Guest Travis Kling, Chief Investment Officer of Ikigai Asset Management Previous appearances on Unchained:  With Rate Cuts and Upcoming Elections, What’s the Best Play in Crypto? With the Merge, Will Ethereum Take Over Bitcoin’s Title as Digital Gold Links Previous coverage of Unchained on AI agents: 2025 Will Be a Year of Crypto Competition. Can Ethereum Make a Comeback? With AI Agents Now Trading Crypto, What Does Their Future Look Like? Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices