Sounds of SAND

Recorded live at a SAND Community Gathering (December 2024) hosted by Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo. In this intimate conversation with poet and philosopher David Whyte and his wife, cultural architect Gayle Karen Young, explore the tender territories of grief, belonging and rest. Drawing from David’s new book Consolations II, this unique dialogue offers a glimpse into how two lives intertwine in both understanding and living these essential human experiences and how loss and heartbreak can become doorways to deeper belonging. The conversation weaves together poetry, contemplative wisdom, and the authentic experience of two people who have walked the path of partnership through its many thresholds. It offers both practical insight and spiritual nourishment for anyone seeking to understand how we grow through love’s many faces—from its first tender beginnings to its most profound depths of kinship. David Whyte, raised between his Irish mother’s imaginative influence and his father’s Yorkshire landscapes, now calls the Pacific Northwest home. He is the author of twelve books of poetry and five books of prose, holding a degree in Marine Zoology and bringing rich experience from his years as a naturalist guide in the Galapagos Islands and leader of expeditions in the Andes, Amazon, and Himalaya. Gayle Karen Young is a cultural architect and catalyst for human and organizational development who believes the world needs leaders who are “able for” what lies ahead. With over two decades in leadership development, she focuses on both the visible, practical aspects of leadership and the invisible work of creating spaces where others can thrive. Topics: 00:00 Introduction and Welcome 00:37 Meet the Guests: Gayle Karen Young and David Whyte 02:41 The Power of Poetry and Reflection 03:37 Exploring Grief and Intimacy 09:02 Collective Grief and Global Suffering 27:20 The Role of Vulnerability in Leadership 30:14 Exploring Grief and Progressive Patriotism 30:52 The Everyday Invitation to Vulnerability 31:42 Understanding the Path of Care 35:34 The Seasonality of Care and Grief 39:19 The Overwhelming Nature of Modern Connectivity 41:53 The Essence of Loving Your Neighbor 43:32 The Bell and the Blackbird: An Irish Koan 52:04 The Importance of Silence and Relationship 54:33 Concluding Thoughts and Gratitude Resources: David Whyte’s Website Gayle Karen Young’s Website David’s new book Consolations II Mary Frances O’Connor - The Grieving Brain: The Surprising Science of How We Learn from Love and Loss Martin Prechtel - The Smell of Rain on Dust: Grief and Praise Dacher Keltner - Awe: The New Science of Everyday Wonder and How It Can Transform Your Life Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Join us as we journey into the depths of winter’s sacred darkness with renowned wisdom keepers Pat McCabe (Woman Stands Shining) and Francis Weller. Recorded on December 21, 2024, at SAND’s Winter Solstice gathering, this episode invites you into a virtual ceremonial space that honors the winter solstice as a powerful moment of transition and transformation. Through poetry, storytelling, and profound dialogue, McCabe and Weller guide us in exploring the sacred landscapes of loss and regeneration. Drawing from Indigenous wisdom and archetypal psychology, they illuminate how embracing grief and releasing what no longer serves can awaken the tender seeds of renewal within us. This is an invitation to witness and metabolize both personal and collective transitions, understanding death not as an end but as a sacred dreaming—a portal to transformation. This episode offers a contemplative space to embrace life’s cyclical nature, reflecting on the solstice as a time for inner alchemy. Together, we honor the rhythms of descent and renewal, finding meaning and hope in the fertile darkness of winter. Whether you are seeking solace, inspiration, or deeper connection, this conversation is a profound offering for anyone navigating the thresholds of life. Pat McCabe (Weyakpa Najin Win, Woman Stands Shining) is a Diné (Navajo) mother, grandmother, activist, artist, writer, ceremonial leader, and international speaker. She is a voice for global peace, and her paintings are created as tools for individual, earth and global healing. She draws upon the Indigenous sciences of Thriving Life to reframe questions about sustainability and balance, and she is devoted to supporting the next generations, Women’s Nation and Men’s Nation, in being functional members of the “Hoop of Life” and upholding the honor of being human. Francis Weller, MFT, is a psychotherapist, writer and soul activist. He is a master of synthesizing diverse streams of thought from psychology, anthropology, mythology, alchemy, indigenous cultures and poetic traditions. Author of The Wild Edge of Sorrow: Rituals of Renewal and the Sacred Work of Grief; The Threshold Between Loss and Revelation, (with Rashani Réa) and In the Absence of the Ordinary: Essays in a Time of Uncertainty, he has introduced the healing work of ritual to thousands of people. He founded and directs WisdomBridge, an organization that offers educational programs that seek to integrate the wisdom from indigenous cultures with the insights and knowledge gathered from western poetic, psychological and spiritual traditions. Topics 00:00 Introduction and Setting the Scene 02:07 Introducing the Guests: Pat McCabe and Francis Weller 03:30 Pat McCabe's Opening Reflections 08:24 The Sacredness of Water and Ceremony 19:07 Francis Weller on Grief and Gratitude 22:54 The Long Dark: Embracing Darkness and Descent 27:49 The Medicine for the Long Dark 40:48 The Gift of Shame and Healing 41:27 Facing Grief Together 42:44 Embracing the Darkness 43:39 Interconnectedness and Affection 45:11 The Medicine of Rest and Patience 49:14 A Journey to Hiroshima 52:43 The Power of Storytelling 58:10 “Heabeat” by Danit (song) 01:04:37 Fearless Generosity and the Hollow Reed 01:09:00 The Necessity of Beauty 01:13:11 Closing Reflections and Prayers Resources from Episode Danit - Heartbeat Refugia (Kathleen Dean Moore) Embodiment Matters - On Creating Refugia: Some New Offerings Duane Elgin - Choosing Earth: Humanity’s Transition to a New Civilization Deborah Eden Tull - Luminous Darkness David Whyte - Sweet Darkness Joan Halifax - The Fruitful Darkness Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Today we are in conversation with Ayurvedic doctor Dr. Avanti Kumar-Singh where we discuss longevity through the lens of intergenerational trauma, colonization, ecological collapse, and how the ancient practice of Ayurvedic medicine might contain remidies for what ails our modern health crises. Avanti Kumar-Singh, MD, is an internationally recognized Ayurveda and integrative medicine practitioner, certified yoga therapist, and former ER doctor. Her approach blends Western medicine with the ancient wisdom of Ayurveda from her South Asian lineage. Dr. Avanti is the former co-lead facilitator at Northwestern Medicine's Osher Center for Integrative Health, hosts The Healing Catalyst podcast, and offers courses on integrative medicine. She is a sought-after speaker and advisor in the wellness community, sharing her expertise with Fortune 500 companies, top academic institutions, and leading industry and medical conferences. Her work has been featured in Huffington Post, Goop, mindbodygreen, and more. Her new book is The Longevity Formula: Ayurvedic Principles to Reduce Inflammation, Increase Cellular Repair, and Live With Vitality (Sounds True, 2024). Topics: 00:00 Introduction to Dr. Avanti Kumar-Singh01:33 Inspiration Behind 'The Longevity Formula'03:54 Understanding Lifespan vs. Health Span05:42 Ayurveda's Role in Longevity06:55 Integrating Ancient Practices with Modern Medicine09:58 The Concept of Balance in Ayurveda15:39 Ayurveda in Modern India20:25 Inflammation and Its Impact on Health24:33 Nourishing the Tissues: Connecting Practices25:00 Understanding Inflammation: Signs and Symptoms26:08 Listening to Your Body: Symptoms as Information28:59 Ayurveda and Circadian Rhythms32:47 Seasonal Eating: Aligning with Nature35:30 Energetic Medicine: The Blueprint of Health43:31 Practical Tips for Longevity47:09 The Importance of Connection49:06 Final Thoughts and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member

Zaya and Maurizio Benazzo host this captivating conversation into divine and personal love with two modern-day mystics, held dear by SAND from a SAND Community Gaterhing from July 2023. Love, a powerful catalyst for transformation on the spiritual path, resonates at the core of our being. Through this dialogue, we will transcend the limitations of a narrow, individualized perception of love, immersing ourselves in the boundless realm of our true nature—a universal expression of pure love. Episcopal priest, writer, and internationally known retreat leader, Cynthia Bourgeault divides her time between solitude at her coastal home in Maine and a demanding schedule traveling globally to teach and spread the recovery of the Christian contemplative path. She is the founding Director of both The Contemplative Society and the Aspen Wisdom School. Hameed Ali (A. H. Almaas), Founder of the Diamond Approach, was born in the Middle East, but at age 18 he moved to the USA to study at the University of California in Berkeley. Hameed was working on his Ph.D. in physics, where he was studying Einstein’s theory of general relativity and nuclear physics, when he reached a turning point in his life and destiny that led him more and more into inquiring into the psychological and spiritual aspects of human nature. Hameed is the founder of the Diamond Approach®—a spiritual teaching that utilizes a unique kind of inquiry into realization. Topics: 00:00 Welcome and Introductions 01:03 Introducing Cynthia Bourgeault 02:17 Introducing Hamid Ali and Non-Dual Love 03:07 Exploring Non-Dual Love 03:50 Cynthia's Perspective on Non-Dual Love 06:06 Hamid's Perspective on Non-Dual Love 08:44 The Nature of Divine Love 12:46 The Role of Love in Human Experience 18:14 The Transformative Power of Love 28:09 Understanding True Love 47:33 Healing Through Love and Gratitude 01:02:05 Closing Remarks and Reflections Support the mission of SAND and the production of this podcast by becoming a SAND Member